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PostPosted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 7:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Masakado wrote:
You make no sense; I suggest you step away from the key board take a breath than try again.

It may cause heart failure, but that is only one factor.

"Common symptoms sufferers of acute stress disorder experience are: numbing; detachment; derealization; depersonalization or dissociative amnesia; continued re-experiencing of the event by such ways as thoughts, dreams, and flashbacks; and avoidance of any stimulation that reminds them of the event"


I am making perfect sense.  A possible cause of Shock, even induced by fear is death.  Along with all the other symptoms you mentioned and several others.

Even though you told him to get lost, he is still a Mod, and what he said must be taken into some account.  I am just working on what he said for your and my own benefits.

Like I said at start, I think these jutsu are fine the way they are.  Factors and effects need to be taken into effect based on the person being attacked, with good reason.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 8:37 pm    Post subject: Re: Seishi Genjutsu Reply with quote

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Name:Seishi : Raigō   Arrow  Wisdom: Climbing to Heaven
Type: Genjutsu - Visual
Rank: D
Requirements: none
Description:  Seishi : Raigō alters the cognition and perception of the victim by creating an latent loop in the sight registers of the brain.  This creates an intense tunneling effect that within seconds temporarily blinds and may temporarily create delirium within those unskilled in genjutsu.  As stated the Seishi : Raigō creates a tunneling effect that distorts light causing an almost out of body experience that can only be describe as like dieing, because the brain is forced to hallucinate the reason for this to tunneling to effect.  Each victim may or may not see the same hallucination, but many describe themselves moving through a dark tunnel trying to head for the light.  Seishi : Raigō is begun with the rat hand seal and requires little to no maintenance of the genjutsu.  This means, the user can set the genjutsu and move about.  The victim of the genjutsu is not restrained by the genjutsu and victims that are skilled in genjutsu will be able to sense the jutsu immediately.


C-Rank.


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Name: Seishi: Sotāpanna Arrow Wisdom:  Into the Stream
Type: Genjutsu - Visual
Rank: C
Requirements: none
Description: Seishi: Sotāpanna places the victim into a dream like state that can be controlled by the user. The illusion basically works as follows: a gust of wind picks up, loss debris is picked up and momentarily swirls around the victim and then falls, an illusion of the user appears and can be manipulated by the user, the "clones" of the user draw the victims fire, and the "clones" can be wrapped around physical objects or persons to take the damage of the victim.  As long as the rat hand seal is maintained and an adequate amount of chakra is used, the user can maintain the genjutsu.  Pain due to attacking things, will not overcome this jutsu.  Only kai, genjutsu break, or severe pain (loss of a limb type of pain) can dispel this genjutsu.


Denied.  Almost ANY kind of pain, while under a Genjutsu, will negate it.  If you want to leave it like that, it'll most likely be Kinjutsu.

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Name: Seishi: Sakadagami Arrow Wisdom: One Time Return
Type: Genjutsu - Visual
Rank: B
Requirements: none
Description: Seishi: Sakadagami is a unique genjutsu that can only be described as an organismic death.  Seishi: Sakadagami targets the pleasure center of the victim’s brain linking any type of movement made by the victim.  Therefore, this creates pleasurable sensations that are highly addictive and mentally exhausting. As the victim moves, immense pleasure stems through their body and increases the heart, amount of physical stress, and body heat. However, this jutsu was snubbed as an orgasmic death for a reason.  As the victim progresses through the genjutsu, the pleasure reaches its climax and the body of the victim begins to revolt. Pain erupts through the body of the victim as the synapses burn out. If not canceled before the climax, the victim's body will not be able to move from the pain. The jutsu is subtle, but potent.  From the start, the user begins this jutsu with the Bird hand seal and only through eye contact is this genjutsu applied.  It takes four posts to climax.


B-Rank at least, possibly Kinjutsu, on that it can result to death.

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Name: Seishi: Anāgāmi Arrow Wisdom: Point of No Return
Type: Genjutsu - Visual
Rank: A
Requirements: none
Description: Seishi: Anāgāmi subjugates the victim into an illusion that is quick and to the point. Seishi: Anāgāmi creates a vast abyss with a thin layer of blood lining the floor. The victim awakes into the illusion chained by shackles that stretches the users body in an x fashion in the air.  The chains to his arms lead into the sky which mirrors the bottom, while those that are responsible for hold his legs stretch into ocean of blood.  While in this jutsu, the user appears standing as the observer of the illusion watching the events happen.  The user than creates a copy of the victim wielding a spear and on the command of the user the copy spears the victim. Mental stress is accumulated as the genjutsu is refreshed over and over creating a max of four copies stabbing the victim. When the genjutsu is finished, the accumulated mental stressed caused by the spearing (which do feel real) overwhelms the target.  If the two ranks beneath the user or more, the victim will go into shock.  Otherwise, the victim receives mental fatigue and a booming head ache.  This genjutsu is begun with the hawk hand seal and requires the entire focus of the user on this jutsu creating many gaps to be attacked.  The entire process may last from 4 seconds (one post) to 8 seconds (two posts) ranging from 50 punctures to 150 punctures.


A-Rank, possibly Kinjutsu because of the effects.

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Name: Seishi: Arahant Arrow Wisdom: Enlightened Assassin
Type: Genjutsu – Visual & Touch
Rank: S
Requirements: Seishi: Sakadagami must be known
Description: Seishi: Arahant is a two part jutsu that requires both visual and physical touch, but not at the same time.  The first part is an illusion set off by the rat hand seal. This illusion is simple in application, but is very precise and stronger than average genjutsu.  This genjutsu places the user into a dream like state that shows them 15 minutes into the past.  This is achieved by refreshing previous memories and awaking them into a sense of déjà vu.  The detail of the dream is flawless, but is dependent on the memories used. By touching the opponent, the user is able to view and construct with almost flawless detail a separate dream.  This could be to attain information.  If the user attempts to travel a different path than before, the victims mind will compensate for what for the lack of details. The second portion of this genjutsu is applied only through touch because how complicated this portion of the genjutsu is.  It requires for the user to skillfully encapsulate a jutsu of their choosing into the user’s brain.  The user will attach a visual trigger to this encapsulated jutsu stored into the victim’s brain and when the victim sees it, they will black out and attack the trigger performing that jutsu using the stored energy.  The encapsulated genjutsu is untraceable and can only be dispelled when in progress.  Both portions of the genjutsu are play offs of the other and this genjutsu requires a lot of focus, skill, and chakra.  The first portion of the genjutsu requires the user to be clearly visible and the second portion requires the users complete focus.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 10:31 pm    Post subject: Re: Seishi Genjutsu Reply with quote

Uchiha Katsuga wrote:
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Name:Seishi : Raigō   Arrow  Wisdom: Climbing to Heaven
Type: Genjutsu - Visual
Rank: D
Requirements: none
Description:  Seishi : Raigō alters the cognition and perception of the victim by creating an latent loop in the sight registers of the brain.  This creates an intense tunneling effect that within seconds temporarily blinds and may temporarily create delirium within those unskilled in genjutsu.  As stated the Seishi : Raigō creates a tunneling effect that distorts light causing an almost out of body experience that can only be describe as like dieing, because the brain is forced to hallucinate the reason for this to tunneling to effect.  Each victim may or may not see the same hallucination, but many describe themselves moving through a dark tunnel trying to head for the light.  Seishi : Raigō is begun with the rat hand seal and requires little to no maintenance of the genjutsu.  This means, the user can set the genjutsu and move about.  The victim of the genjutsu is not restrained by the genjutsu and victims that are skilled in genjutsu will be able to sense the jutsu immediately.


C-Rank.


Please explain why. >_>  It shouldn't be that rank.



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Name: Seishi: Sotāpanna Arrow Wisdom:  Into the Stream
Type: Genjutsu - Visual
Rank: C
Requirements: none
Description: Seishi: Sotāpanna places the victim into a dream like state that can be controlled by the user. The illusion basically works as follows: a gust of wind picks up, loss debris is picked up and momentarily swirls around the victim and then falls, an illusion of the user appears and can be manipulated by the user, the "clones" of the user draw the victims fire, and the "clones" can be wrapped around physical objects or persons to take the damage of the victim.  As long as the rat hand seal is maintained and an adequate amount of chakra is used, the user can maintain the genjutsu.  Pain due to attacking things, will not overcome this jutsu.  Only kai, genjutsu break, or severe pain (loss of a limb type of pain) can dispel this genjutsu.


Denied.  Almost ANY kind of pain, while under a Genjutsu, will negate it.  If you want to leave it like that, it'll most likely be Kinjutsu.


Name: Kasumi Juusha no Jutsu - Mist Servant Technique
Type: Genjutsu - visual
Rank: C
Requirements: None
Description: This genjutsu creates many illusionary clones of the user. A notable thing about these particular clones is that their clothes are always black, though they are the same as the original's otherwise. When attacked, these clones are disrupted but not dispelled, instead their shape may become quite inhuman in an attempt to restore the original form. This technique is used to confuse the enemy and conceal the user as they attack.

Please explain to me how this genjutsu that does almost the same thing was accepted?
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[Its canon if you didn't know]  In this genjutsu, the victim can receive pain and stay under the genjutsu.  So, please explain to me why mines can not work the same.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

1. It's effects are stronger than a D rank jutsu.

2. Not including his reasoning (I have no idea why pain was included in there), but it is similar to the other jutsu you referenced - but it has more effects that are also more complicated. Hence, higher rank. I would say B as well.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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1. It's effects are stronger than a D rank jutsu.

2. Not including his reasoning (I have no idea why pain was included in there), but it is similar to the other jutsu you referenced - but it has more effects that are also more complicated. Hence, higher rank. I would say B as well.


1. >_>  I think you guys are looking at my complicated verbiage and thinking its effects are stronger than what I've written. The simple verison of that genjutsu is it blinds the user making them experience the whole floating through a black tunnel.  If you think its effects are to strong, please give me ways to decrease the rank to D-rank.  Thank you.

2. It is more complicated, I will agree with you there, but I would prefer if that genjutsu stays C rank.  The reason why my genjutsu has that line in there is because that genjutsu is used to tire the victim out.  If a taijutsu user is the victim, one blow and they will be knocked out of the genjutsu if that line was not put in.  However, I am accounting for that and making it an interesting genjutsu to use.  I normally do rank by what it can do, but I would like for your opinion on how I can make it stick to C rank.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 12:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You want to really know the flaw with the example you gave?  It wasn't the Genjutsu itself that giving the person pain, it was the actual Shinobi that was doing it.  But, because they were more focused on Genjutsu than the others, except for maybe Kabuto, they were able to hold it more in place, but it wasn't on the lines of what you have.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 2:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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may temporarily create delirium within those unskilled in genjutsu.


Take out that part and I think it'd be D rank.

For the second, put where the user is, because from what I saw I thought they were invisible and only the clone could be seen / targeted for attack.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 5:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Uchiha Katsuga wrote:
You want to really know the flaw with the example you gave?  It wasn't the Genjutsu itself that giving the person pain, it was the actual Shinobi that was doing it.  But, because they were more focused on Genjutsu than the others, except for maybe Kabuto, they were able to hold it more in place, but it wasn't on the lines of what you have.


Uh, reread my genjutsu again. *sigh*  You've read it wrong apparently. *Shakes head*  My genjutsu cause no pain.  It merely lets the user cause as much damage to the surrounding area as possible.  The only pain that would be created would be by the victim to him or her self. So, again.  I ask you to reread my genjutsu and keep that in mind. >_>

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may temporarily create delirium within those unskilled in genjutsu.


Take out that part and I think it'd be D rank.

For the second, put where the user is, because from what I saw I thought they were invisible and only the clone could be seen / targeted for attack.


1.  Hmm...  Read... http://www.scribd.com/doc/46809/Is-H2O-dangerous

2.  I suppose I could make it clear that the user is not invisible. Smile  Will change.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 5:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How is having an OoBE not at least C-Rank, Masa?
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 5:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Uchiha Katsuga wrote:
How is having an OoBE not at least C-Rank, Masa?


Even if I attempted to act like I understand what that meant, I would say I based my genjutsu off of a documentary I as reading that explained why we see what we do when we die.. And omg, it was awesome!



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