Generic Jutsu That Must Be Taught???

Chiisuchianu · Generic Jutsu That Must Be Taught???

Edo Tensei - Resurrection to the Impure World
Rank: S
Requirements: must be taught by Kaeor, Kuchiyose no Jutsu [Summoning Technique] and A Human Sacrifice
Description: Kuchiyose • Edo Tensei is a Ninjutsu technique which had been forbidden because of its dark nature. The technique involves the summoning of dead souls from the afterlife back into the real world. Normally Kuchiyose (summoning) involves the use of the caster's blood as compensation for summoning, Edo Tensei is different though. The ninja will first sacrifice a living person to provide the vessel that the dead soul will inhabit. The dead body will then be incased in ash and dirt to resemble the soul of the person that was resurrected. When the ninja wishes to recall the souls, a portal will open in the ground and the caskets holding the bodies will appear. When the caskets open the bodies will be grey and in a state of minor decay. At this point the dead souls are able to remember their past life, but they are at the command of the one who summoned them. One final act will fully wipe out their conscious and make them under the command of the one who summoned them. The ninja will place a fuda (charm/tag) of some form into the head of the body. This will then give vitality back to the body and make it a pure killing machine.

When a portion of the dead body is damaged, the ash and dust will merely return and fix the damaged body part. The only way currently known to stop the resurrected person, is to utilize the Shiki Fuujin technique and remove the soul from the body.

Found this in the Basic Kinjutsu Archives while looking for Jutsu ideas for my Oto character I will be creating. I got two problems with it.

1. Its in the Basic Jutsus section which means it shouldnt have to be taught by anybody
2. Its a generic jutsu from the show, that would be like me laying claim to Henge no Jutsu so no one else could use it, I understand that people have custom jutsu they dont want others to use, but not canon ones...

So why the hell is Kaeor the only one that can use it? Or teach it to people. Orochimaru taught himself this jutsu as a result of his Immortality Jutsu research.

Zieg

Actually this jutsu was intended to be used for everybody. Its good you brought that up. I'll edit so anyone can learn it. Of course being a kinjutsu it'll have to go under mod/admin supervision of who can learn it or not.

Kaeor

Actually Lava told me I could make the jutsu requirement teachable by myself only since I was the only person that knew that jutsu and Orochimaru was gone. But now hes back.

Zieg

If anything that should have been my name there, because I was Orochimaru's pupil and I should have inherited everything when he left but now thats all done.

AJ Gray

Unless you have the jutsu though, you comment is rendered useless. You don't inherit a jutsu that's not attached to a bloodline. You learn it. However, Kaeor did learn it and I think that it's fine since until now he's the only person to have learned it. Which in essence would make him the go to person to the knowledge of the jutsu.

Chiisuchianu

Yah, except what if I was the go to person for Henge no Jutsu? Or Genjutsu Dispel... both are jutsu from the show that are generic like the Impure World Ressurection. It wouldnt be fair if no one could dispel genjutsu or transform except for one person now would it?

Not to mention... Orochimaru taught this jutsu to himself when he was only a Jounin in the leaf village... so I dont see why anyone would have to teach it to you, you basically just have to kidnap people and work their bodies and souls and you will learn it, according to Orochimaru anyways.

AJ Gray

I don't see how Edo Tensei is generic, at all. Edo Tensei is a rare jutsu. Generic implies a more commonplace item. Something that many use. So, if you're argument is based on that, then I must say you sorely failed. Edo Tensei = Not Generic, and there for one that needs to be taugh from a person who knows it, much like the not "Generic" Rasengan/Chidori/Gates/Raikiri.

Chiisuchianu

Wow I can believe you just brought up a bunch of jutsu that someone INVENTED at one point in time. If someone invented it, it can be self taught. Those however are custom variations of jutsu, Orochimaru himself said that he never intended to learn the Edo Tensei, he happened upon it when experiementing to learn the secrets of Immortality, which means its obviously not that hard to learn if he just "stumbled" upon it. Infact that means if someone was trying to create a jutsu like that they would have a better chance at it than Orochimaru did.

My argument isnt that its generic, when I say generic I mean its Canon jutsu that isnt specifically stated as having to be taught by anyone. In fact a lot of jutsu arent that way. My point is, why should only one person be allowed to learn this if they taught it to themselves... if they taught it to themselves, other people can teach it to themselves, its that simple.

EDIT: Make a custom jutsu if you want something only you can learn, but if not then dont put restrictions on jutsu from the show that other people might like/want to learn.

AJ Gray

Chiisuchianu

I guess I didnt say it right or something, because apparently you dont get it, so let me make it clear for you...

Either:

A. Orochimaru is the only one who knows the jutsu because he's the only one to have used it and the only person who saw it died (Orochimaru would not put it on a scroll because he's greedy and didnt even teach Sasuke this kind of jutsu). Meaning Kaeor does not know the jutsu and neither does anyone else.

or

B. Kaeor self taught himself the jutsu which means ANYONE can self teach themself the jutsu.

Endo of discussiono, comprendo? What Im trying to say here is fair is fair, and actually you proved my point right, not the opposite.

AJ Gray

If you read Kaeor's learning of it, you would see... that he had the scroll.

Point and case.

Chiisuchianu

He had the scroll that I just said didnt exist??? Right... now you totally proved your point... NOT!

Seriously, Orochimaru doesnt put shit on a scroll because he's a greedy bastard who wants all the powers of Immortality to himself. Fair is fair so if something is true for one person, it has to be true for all.

That would mean I could RP a topic where I find the scroll to huh? Or wait, a copy of the scroll because Orochimaru put it on two or three or no he put the jutsu on a hundred scrolls!!! HURRAY scrolls for all!!!

AJ Gray

Yes... because he has photographic memory to remember the years of research he's done and never once forgot his origins.

Really, your argument is failing. And most everything that's a Kinjutsu has a scroll or says that it needs to be inherited. Why not go look at all the Kinjutsu and complain about those as well.

Chiisuchianu

Actually, only the Rasengan Chidori and Kage Bunshin require a scroll, according to when I asked a mod.

And Ill tell you one thing, I wouldnt forget a badass jutsu like Edo Tensei, that would be like saying Kakashi made a scroll of Chidori because he was afraid he would forget how to use it... it just wouldnt happen.

So Im afraid your logic is failing dude.

Yoko

If the jutsu is on a scroll somewhere, then yeah, you'd be able to read it and learn it. Considering it's Orochimaru's scroll, your chances of finding it, or successfully obtaining it are ZERO unless you were very close to him. Learning the jutsu on your own is ridiculous because it took Orochimaru years of research just to accidentally reach an outcome.

AJ Gray

I refuse to give you an intelligent conversation anymore because you're not proving anything. Further more, in order for your character to learn it, you would need the knowledge of it, which you sorely lack. And even if you said that he was Orochimaru's student, you'd be messing with the site's canon. Which in essence, means, you'd still wouldn't be able to learn it unless someone told you about it.

In the end, there are channels of information that you need and don't have. And even if Orochimaru were around, based on his character as you say, I doubt he'd teach you. So be grateful that at least one person learned it so that you'd have a chance to learn it.

Chiisuchianu

Yoko is damn right here dude.

And WOW I cant believe you just said that because we all know Kaeor will probably never teach the jutsu to anyone aswell. And how the hell did Kaeor learn that shit if he wasnt taught by orochimaru. Your argument is filled with flaws, your basically saying Kaeor can know it because he can know it, and Im saying that is NOT fair. Its a rigged jutsu to begin with, it cant be defeated unless you kill yourself, so fuck that noise. Why dont I just RP that I can raise an undead army that cant be killed unless everyone knows the death reaper seal... yah really fuckin god modded their for the RP...

Anyways I got to go back to real life here, I dont have time to continue this arguement right now.

Kaeor

Chiisuchianu

Well lets put it this way, people tend to teach it to people who affiliate with the same groups as them i.e. more power to the sensei so I was just making a generalization about people and their greed not necisarily you.

And no I dont know you so I would like to appologize for that statement, because I believe in appologies when something I do is wrong. Sorry.

I was arguing, but I wasnt mad at anyone at any point in the process so I just want to make that clear right now.

YuweaCurtis

IF you want something bad enough, you'll get it. If your smart enough to anyways.

Sench

Obviously you an AJ are missing the point. I bet Chii couldn't care less about having Edo Tensei, the topic is unfairness of Kaeor having it and hogging it

Chiisuchianu

Yah that was my point.

Uchiha Katsuga

Well, if he doesn't want to teach it to anyone else, then that's his problem really. But, that shouldn't mean that no one can learn it by "accident", no?

Sench

Exactly

Lavathing9

I refuse to read all that crap, I read the first couple of posts and here is my response.

I said Kaeor could be the only one to teach it because it is an advanced Kinjutsu, and it is not by any means generic or common. It should be rare and to help keep it rare I made it so only one person could teach it to you, but once you learn it from Kaeor you could teach it to other people. See, it has a viral effect? And it effectivally keeps it rare, and not "generic" like Henge no Jutsu.

Discussion is pretty much over, I am keeping it open though in case anyone has a valid response.

Chiisuchianu

Well if you read the other posts it would help you a lot. The responses got more and more valid. And people have a tendancy of locking posts when Im responding to them too which gets annoying.

The main jist of it was that how the hell did he learn it if Orochimaru was the only one who knew it and clearly didnt share it with Kaeor. If anyone should know it it should be Zieg because he trained under Orochimaru.

Then there was another point about the jutsu being rigged in general because one could simply create an undead army that couldnt be defeated by anyone because everyone would have to learn Death Reaper Seal and kill themselves just to stop it.

Sench

Or use an attack powerful enough to wipe out most or all of their body. There is nothing saying it can restore itself from that

AJ Gray

Would you prefer then to get rid of the jutsu all together since it's such a massive God-mod?

Yoko

Then again, there's nothing that says it "can't" restore itself from that.

No one should be able to use this anyways, unless it was only story/event related.

Chiisuchianu

Exactly my point aswell.