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Masakado · Correction!

http://narutorpcenter.com/sutra200529.php#200529

TheGreatWarMage

Hand speeds can't be made into suitable criteria. Some moves require someone to not be standing, while others can be used on the move, though this might just be them concentrating. You should do what i do, rp a time delay for them.

Wait sorry that is Godmodding isn't it. To bad.

Some people do do to many actions at one time. Though if they are on the attack or def....nvm this is a continued statement on above but also reaches into something else.

Kinjutsu is based on the fact it can cause personal harm to the user or .....i don't like the definition given to me, effect laws of nature...plz.

Reason Rasengan is Kin...um....didn't naruto become harmed by this once? Um...Creating a ball of pure energy (chakra)? um...oh nature manipulation perhaps idk.

Though Kinjutsu also has a undefined aspect to it as well.
(I still think your wrong about Senjutsu definition you gave me/interpretation)

OzanaruSyra

Kinjutsu is defined as forbidden jutsu. They are forbidden for the reason of:

1. Great power.
2. Wide range of uses.
3. A combination of the two.

The reason it does damage to the person using it is typically because of the intense power of the jutsu, or the fact that it's near impossible to dodge.

enkil103

masa if it helps i took alook at it and gave my suggestions. also the kinjutsu system works to extremly power techniques whither it has a downside or not.

edit: also what syra said

Masakado

To GWM: You have this way of writing things in a confusing manner, so please excuse me if I misinterpret your meaning.

Hand seals are important, because your are using them to morph your chakra. Note, that as you get stronger and learn more jutsu your speed, accuracy, and power in creating them become increased. When you get to S-ranked characters, some d-ranked justu that take genin like several hand seals to make S-ranked characters could preformed them with out hand seals. However, not everyone is s-ranked.

To Oz:

I agree with you slightly; however, kinjutsu is kinjutsu because it hinders the user in some way and if you do it a lot in one battle most likely, if your not in a team, you will die because someones not there to support you and your easy prey to the opponent.

To enkil103:

It must have downsides.. Every jutsu created must have down sides. Kinjutsus merely have more downsides.

OzanaruSyra

Not every jutsu has a downside, besides the obvious exchange of chakra for an effect. For example, Water Bullets: the only thing the user is disadvantaged is that they lose chakra.

Um, we're not working with canon. That's the NRC definition of kinjutsu that I gave you.

Masakado

OzanaruSyra

That's not Water Bullets jutsu, the one you're referring to is Gunshot.

Masakado

I was sitting here thinking we were talking about the Teppoudama - Bullet.

OzanaruSyra

Masakado

I'm not going to comment, because I came up with like five downsides right off the bat.

But really, does it require hand seals? Auto-cast?

OzanaruSyra

Every jutsu is assumed to require hand-seals. Higher ranks and higher levels of ninjutsu (IE ninjutsu specialist) are assumed to require less hand seals or even none.

Masakado

That is so ambiguous!!

OzanaruSyra

As is the chakra levels, stamina, speed, strength, intelligence, charisma, need I go on? This is why we call it a free form RP.

Velidina_Shiatamme

I can think of something that has no downside, except for chakra loss. Granted, it's a clan Jutsu, but my Rapid-Fire Element for my Shiatamme clan requires no hand signs and no water source, but you need the water element either as a major or minor. It's even D-rank, while that's C-Rank, and can be used for than just water, though that's what I've been using it mostly for up till now.

Masakado

You know, if you actually posted your jutsu I would have known what you were talking about and could say more... Although, your jutsu does have obvious downsides like you maybe able to shoot alot but the accuracy is off and you would be spending more chakra than you needed if you fired one shot rather than four where only one hit.

But, I'm just going to say good job? Also, chakra loss is something I consider to be a downside, even if its minor its a downside. :/

// edit: I could point out flaws all day and the downsides that you may not think are there, but I'm not.

Masakado

OzanaruSyra

Masakado

Velidina_Shiatamme

I agree with Syra-sama on that point. I joined since it was free-form. If there were too many rules besides mainly common sense, I might not have started RP'ing here.

OzanaruSyra

If you state how many are involved but don't count it than it's pointless, and there's no need for unnecessary information.

Uchiha Katsuga

The thing about Hansigns is that, even though there's technically 12 common Handsigns in the Narutoverse, there are Handsigns that we have no idea what they are, but they're Handsigns none-the-less. But, because most, if not all, Jutsus require Handsigns, most of the time, we don't even know what they are, so we just say that they require Handsigns. Take the Raikiri for example. We know, at least I do, it's "Ox", "Rabbit", "Monkey", correct? Well, you could say, in your RP post, that you're doing those Handsigns for the Jutsu. Ok, cool. But, what about those that require a LOT of Handsigns, like Suiryuudan no Jutsu? I watched the episode where Kakashi copied Zabuza's Suiryuudan in Japanese, and wrote down the Handsign names for the Jutsu. Seroiusly, there were well over two dozen of them!!! If you want to type all of them out, cudos to you. Now, when I'm doing a Jutsu, if I know at least the final Handsign for it, or if it's just one Handsign to do it, I'll just use that one, but will say something like "performs several Handsigns, ending with the Bird Handsign", taking after Suiryuudan. Want me to explain more about the Handsigns, Masa?

Masakado

No its not...

Some of these strong jutsus that are being made need a time delay - hand seals or something.

I've been in a couple battles now and I was very unimpressed about the basic common knowledge of those involved. I have noticed quite a few not even mention one "hand seal" when battling. So, basically, if that is needless I'm so confused why you would require a hand seal in the first place. :/

I want to battle you Oz. ^_^

Vel, I don't parrot. >_>

Either way, I'm not saying create a hand seal system. I merely wish for hand seals to be mentioned in all jutsus, unless stated otherwise. Razz

Edit:
Katsuga, your not cute at all... [referring to your post]

Uchiha Katsuga

YuweaCurtis

All jutsu require handseals, unless state otherwise. Do you lack common sense?

Masakado

YuweaCurtis

You're simply splitting hairs. Any Naruto fan worth his grain knows about handseals and would even want to do them just to look 'cool'.

And I often see you in other peoples topics...

Masakado

Lolz. YuweaCurtis, this is true, for some...

But like I've stated before, some people think its uber cool to cut them out when personally I think they are the best part. XD

Uchiha Katsuga

If you want to use Handsigns when you're doing a Jutsu, you're more than welcome to, but that doesn't mean that, just because you are, EVERYONE'S going to do them. Now... If you are rude to me again, there will be consequenses...

Masakado

Kats: Consequences? Don't really care, but please stop posting here. Your not answering my questions nor are you being any benefit to the conversation. So, again, please refrain from posting here, unless you read up on the topic first. Thanks. ~Masa

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Ok, since you guys obviously don't want to listen to what I am saying, here is the last question I have.

Ari Phoenix

Alright, on the thing of a time delay for custom jutsu, I happen to understand it, it would be rather moddish for someone to use a jutsu, automatically, infact my custom vampire jutsu don't use hand seals they use chanting, which has a similar nature.

As for staff.and jutsu ranking choices.
I use how strong it sounds, and weather it actually follows the criteria. If it sounds too powerful for the current rank, I usually suggest they boost the rank. If it has a chance to deal damage to the user, or is dangerous, or beyond normal power, then I suggest it to be a Kinjutsu, though I would also suggest changes so as to become better able to be used at the current rank.

Nobody

The awnser to your question is..... it depends on the mod. Me, I look at power, speed, combatibility and whatever else that I deem important at the time... and I grade it how I see fit.

TheGreatWarMage

Ari Phoenix

I know I don't use Kage Bunshin, but you are right, it does seem to be everywhere in the Manga/Anime, and I have seen some characters, that do have it.

YuweaCurtis

It's kinjutsu because it creates something from nothing.

Uchiha Katsuga

YuweaCurtis

Where the hell do you get off threatening people, then telling them to not be rude to you?

I wasn't being sarcastic that time, I was answering his question. I said what you did, you just expanded on the knowledge.

Masakado

We all need a little love in this room! *hugs both of you*

That's basically it for my questions at the moment.

Uchiha Katsuga

Because you're being an idiot?

Pikminavenger

ok ok this is really a pointless debate people, hand signs take time to use, and such, unless you have a ability that makes that not true wether you posted it or not if the jutsu does not state that you don't have to have hand signs they made them, and you could play off it, based on that fact problem solved.

about kinjutsu it is in fact jutsu that takes tolls on the user, or does things that would normally be impposible for just anyone to use. In essense it is a specialized move that only a few can use, that give them edges at the cost of greater chakra the need for more control, nothing more nothing less.

Masakado

YuweaCurtis

Insulting people now? Trying to be the next Sench?

Also, notice how most of the time the move isn't dodged till after the handsigns?

Uchiha Katsuga

If you're a Ninjutsu Master, you can perform Handsigns with blinding speed, almost to the point that they can't be registered.

Ari Phoenix

Enough, please take this conversation to PMs, for this is a trivial matter, Katsuga-kun, please get to work on staff related activity, while Curtis, please get to what ever project you have going currently, and anymore discussion on this subject between you two, I would like to see non existent beyond possibly hearing about it in PM's, for we shouldn't be fighting so blatantly. You both are/were staff, act like it.

YuweaCurtis

I was done. And I got kicked from staff because off something I didn't do. Hence aren't I acting like what your accusing me of? Like I said, I was simply stating a fact, he insulted me.

TheGreatWarMage

*Cough Cough* shouldn't have said were staff....

Like i said, Godmod they did handseals.

Uchiha Katsuga

LOCKED!