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PostPosted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 11:53 am    Post subject: Correction! Reply with quote

http://narutorpcenter.com/sutra200529.php#200529

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There is also the matter of an auto cast.  This doesn't seem to require hand seals nor does it account for the fact genjutsus require focus.  This almost feels like you do what ever you do to initiate your genjutsu and then it works.  When you write a genjutsu you should account for all your actions.  This includes regular ninjutsu and advanced ninjutsu as well.

A genjutsu is keen on application, action, and potential.  

The method of your application is non-existent.  I suggest that you describe how it is applied, decrease the complexity, and account for potential after-effects.

What do I mean by complexity?  Your genjutsu requires more skill than your allotting it. Simply restricting the movements of your opponent via illusion and being able to move while doing so is A-ranked. You not only do that, but your jutsu also causes mental and physical stress to the victims body.  That bumps your jutsu up to S-rank easy.

The illusion you have created is also very elaborate, which causes more focus to be put into your genjutsu.  To keep that world you have described, I suggest you have to stay in position into the chains are secured around the person.


You're the one overcomplicating things. I understand that you think you're helping but you aren't, so I'll ask you the last time to stop.


I don't understand this.

I have given valid information to explain why his jutsu can not be the rank he desires and have also given my suggestion on how to fix the problems with his application.  Because he is staff and he does accept jutsus, I must ask what the hell is going on here?  Because frankly, this bothers me.

I also have the following questions:

How does the Kinjutsu system work?  It seems like people are abusing the kinjustu system to get more powerful jutsus at lower ranks, while disregarding the negatives that do come with it.  

What are the criteria for jutsus that staffers use to appropriate rank?  

Why is the fact that hand seals are needed is not stressed here?  Hand seals are the time delay factor that should be accounted for and are one of the best ways to counter a jutsu.  However, it seems like the site kind of instant casts everything and I'm a little shocked by this (and confused.)
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 12:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hand speeds can't be made into suitable criteria.  Some moves require someone to not be standing, while others can be used on the move, though this might just be them concentrating.  You should do what i do, rp a time delay for them.  

Wait sorry that is Godmodding isn't it.  To bad.

Some people do do to many actions at one time.  Though if they are on the attack or def....nvm this is a continued statement on above but also reaches into something else.


Kinjutsu is based on the fact it can cause personal harm to the user or .....i don't like the definition given to me, effect laws of nature...plz.

Reason Rasengan is Kin...um....didn't naruto become harmed by this once?  Um...Creating a ball of pure energy (chakra)? um...oh nature manipulation perhaps idk.

Though Kinjutsu also has a undefined aspect to it as well.
(I still think your wrong about Senjutsu definition you gave me/interpretation)
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 12:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kinjutsu is defined as forbidden jutsu. They are forbidden for the reason of:

1. Great power.
2. Wide range of uses.
3. A combination of the two.

The reason it does damage to the person using it is typically because of the intense power of the jutsu, or the fact that it's near impossible to dodge.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 12:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

masa if it helps i took alook at it and gave my suggestions. also the kinjutsu system works to extremly power techniques whither it has a downside or not.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 1:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To GWM:  You have this way of writing things in a confusing manner, so please excuse me if I misinterpret your meaning.

Hand seals are important, because your are using them to morph your chakra.  Note, that as you get stronger and learn more jutsu your speed, accuracy, and power in creating them become increased.  When you get to S-ranked characters, some d-ranked justu that take genin like several hand seals to make S-ranked characters could preformed them with out hand seals.  However, not everyone is s-ranked.

To Oz:

I agree with you slightly; however, kinjutsu is kinjutsu because it hinders the user in some way and if you do it a lot in one battle most likely, if your not in a team, you will die because someones not there to support you and your easy prey to the opponent.

To enkil103:

It must have downsides..  Every jutsu created must have down sides.  Kinjutsus merely have more downsides.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 1:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not every jutsu has a downside, besides the obvious exchange of chakra for an effect. For example, Water Bullets: the only thing the user is disadvantaged is that they lose chakra.

Um, we're not working with canon. That's the NRC definition of kinjutsu that I gave you.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 1:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OzanaruSyra wrote:
Not every jutsu has a downside, besides the obvious exchange of chakra for an effect. For example, Water Bullets: the only thing the user is disadvantaged is that they lose chakra.

Um, we're not working with canon. That's the NRC definition of kinjutsu that I gave you.


1. No, everything has a downside and yes chakra exchange is a downside as well as the whole having to take a breath to build up the water and than expel it.  

2. I know now.  But every jutsu should have a clear disadvantage or it be super heavily implied, that is mainly were my discontent stems from.  Instant casting, ill written jutsus, and super upgrades to low ranking jutsus.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 1:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's not Water Bullets jutsu, the one you're referring to is Gunshot.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 1:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was sitting here thinking we were talking about the Teppoudama - Bullet.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 1:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Name: Flying water bullets
Type: Ninjutsu
Rank: C
Requirements: Existing source of water
Description: This jutsu uses a source of water and shoots it at an opponent in many small balls. This spray of water bullets is usually used to distract the enemy and put him/her on the defensive, but if enough chakra is used, they can be as strong as punches, bruising and battering the enemy. This requires relatively little water, which makes it useful, as the shinobi can use portable water sources.


Though now that I look at it, I already see where you can gather a weakness.



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